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Poll Question : When do you Wanna Pay for Metabolt Hosting? (Poll is closed)
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#1 Posted : 29 June 2010 04:09:01(UTC)


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I am owner of "Wolfpack-manor Hosting" lately ive had more and more people contact me about hosting SL bots and creating them. So Ive worked out a system for Automatic Installation/Login for Metabolt. Soon to be released to the general public, easy as Going to a vendor buying a bot, a Object will automaticly be sent to you, to give u information on things you need as well as Set "Group Invite" Codes, Twitter Information, Enable AI. Etc Etc All from the base in SL without much Hassle.


But before i release it, i wanna see what the general public wants to pay for it, and How many people actually want it.

Post Information, Questions, Comments, Ideas to this Thread I would be Glad to anwser, talk, help, converse in anyway.







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#2 Posted : 29 June 2010 17:23:17(UTC)


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If I'm reading this correctly, what you're saying is that you'll create a bot (i.e. an SL avatar/account), then people will pay a vendor and you'll give them access to the bot/SL account login information.

Seems to me that's a violation of the SL TOS, and as such would be dangerous for you and anyone "buying" the account from you.

3. ACCOUNT REGISTRATION AND BILLING
3.1 You must establish an account to use Second Life, using true and accurate registration information.

You must establish an Account with Linden Lab to use the Service, except for those portions of the Websites which Linden Lab allows users to access without registration. You may establish one or more additional Accounts, provided that your existing Account is in good standing and you are otherwise in full compliance with this Agreement. You may not transfer or assign your Account and its contractual rights, licenses and obligations, to any third party without the prior written consent of Linden Lab.
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#3 Posted : 29 June 2010 22:20:09(UTC)


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You are mistaken, I am not selling Secondlife Accounts I am Selling "Hosting" For Metabolt. You have To supplie all of your own Information for your Bot. Which needs to be Labeled "BOT" on SL`s Main Site.

I am providing Direct Access to Metabolts Settings, from inside of SL It is your job to Input your information, Everything will be encrypted and stored in a Database, which will be backed up every 6 hours. I am Providing the Hosting, and Services to maintain a Metabolt on a Dedicated Connection, which if Metabolt crashes, it will auto restart and reconnect automaticly. Without much hassle.
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#4 Posted : 29 June 2010 23:33:18(UTC)


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I still think you may be in some potentially dangerous territory, as the Third Party Viewer Polict states :

You must not use or distribute features or functionality that transmit Second Life usernames or passwords anywhere except to Linden Lab servers. Third-Party
Viewers must not retain a user’s username or password anywhere except on the user’s own system.

It seems to me that if you're going to offer hosted services, the username/password would need to be retained on YOUR system, which is clearly not "the user's own system". Linden has banned other hosted services before and I suspect you'd risk the same. I can't speak for Luke, but I also suspect he may have an issue with your use of the Metabolt name on a hosted service, potentially putting his product at risk.

Please understand, I'm not trying to be difficult.. you ask for questions/comments regarding your service. I'm just sharing my thoughts on the potential challenges you face... and as for how much people are willing to pay, I wouldn't use the service as I see too much risk to my accounts.

Just my 2L

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#5 Posted : 30 June 2010 00:28:39(UTC)


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Kandi Luminos wrote:
I still think you may be in some potentially dangerous territory, as the Third Party Viewer Polict states :

You must not use or distribute features or functionality that transmit Second Life usernames or passwords anywhere except to Linden Lab servers. Third-Party
Viewers must not retain a user’s username or password anywhere except on the user’s own system.

It seems to me that if you're going to offer hosted services, the username/password would need to be retained on YOUR system, which is clearly not "the user's own system". Linden has banned other hosted services before and I suspect you'd risk the same. I can't speak for Luke, but I also suspect he may have an issue with your use of the Metabolt name on a hosted service, potentially putting his product at risk.

Please understand, I'm not trying to be difficult.. you ask for questions/comments regarding your service. I'm just sharing my thoughts on the potential challenges you face... and as for how much people are willing to pay, I wouldn't use the service as I see too much risk to my accounts.

Just my 2L




Me and Luke came up with the Idea together Long Long Ago. I finished the Automated System myself just recently.

And It is your Right to do what you want with what you want. If you own a Account with my Company, and you login too your Account, are you not owning that account? It is like if you are buying a PC from Rent a Center, they own it, but you are paying it off bit by bit, if you stop paying you lose ur computer, so those same terms can be held into those style of holdings.

Third Party Viewers <--- Exactely, Metabolt isnt Recording, or Keeping your User Information, My Database is, just like LL`s Database contains all your using information. I am not breaking the TOS Agreement.
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#6 Posted : 30 June 2010 03:32:44(UTC)


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The Rent-a-Center analogy is only valid if your box is going to be in my home, as that's where the Rent-a-Center PC would be. I'd have control of it as long as I paid.... Is that the level of service you're proposing? If not, and the database storing the username/password is at your location, under your control, then at the moment you use that information to login to SL, the account is effectively being shared and is again a violation of the TOS.
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#7 Posted : 30 June 2010 08:20:04(UTC)


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Kandi Luminos wrote:
The Rent-a-Center analogy is only valid if your box is going to be in my home, as that's where the Rent-a-Center PC would be. I'd have control of it as long as I paid.... Is that the level of service you're proposing? If not, and the database storing the username/password is at your location, under your control, then at the moment you use that information to login to SL, the account is effectively being shared and is again a violation of the TOS.


Well I contacted Linden Labs, my Service would be no diffrent then any of the Other bot Services. IT would be no Diffrent, then You owning a Webpage from another Company, or a Shell Account for a IRCD, It would be No Diffrent then Owning a Domain and having someone Host the DNS For you. I will be posting Logs of the Conversations Ive had with the Lindens Conserning this Topic. As of yet they have stated, "Nothing you have Proposed is in anyway against the TOS, It is no diffrent then you hosting a webpage."


Logs Soon to Come, Once Ticket And Chat have been 100% Completed
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#8 Posted : 30 June 2010 13:13:18(UTC)


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As long as the METAbolt licensing condition below is met we have no issues with this service/product or any other for that matter:

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Neither the name of L-Tek, METAbolt or the name/s of any other company that may be associated with METAbolt from time to time, nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission.


Source: http://www.metabolt.net/bsd.aspx

Any other legality and compliance etc including or not including the SL TOS is between the service/product provider and Linden Labs and has abosultely nothing to do with METAbolt and is outside our interest & responsibility in every shape, form or condition.

I will be looking into this service from a technical perspective to understand it more, once I can find the time from my busy RL and METAbolt devlopment life Blink

It should be noted and clear that I have had a discussion regarding such a service with Bioblaze in the past (many months ago) and provided few ideas and pointers. This does not and should not mean this service is supported, promoted, sponsored or in any way affiliated with METAbolt. From my understanding it has been developed and is owned by Bioblaze Payne.

As I said above, as long as the METAbolt licensing stated above is observed and Linden Labs are happy with this service/product, we have no issues with it at all.

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#9 Posted : 30 June 2010 21:03:06(UTC)


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Luke wrote:


As long as the METAbolt licensing condition below is met we have no issues with this service/product or any other for that matter:

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Neither the name of L-Tek, METAbolt or the name/s of any other company that may be associated with METAbolt from time to time, nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission.


Source: http://www.metabolt.net/bsd.aspx

Any other legality and compliance etc including or not including the SL TOS is between the service/product provider and Linden Labs and has abosultely nothing to do with METAbolt and is outside our interest & responsibility in every shape, form or condition.

I will be looking into this service from a technical perspective to understand it more, once I can find the time from my busy RL and METAbolt devlopment life Blink

It should be noted and clear that I have had a discussion regarding such a service with Bioblaze in the past (many months ago) and provided few ideas and pointers. This does not and should not mean this service is supported, promoted, sponsored or in any way affiliated with METAbolt. From my understanding it has been developed and is owned by Bioblaze Payne.

As I said above, as long as the METAbolt licensing stated above is observed and Linden Labs are happy with this service/product, we have no issues with it at all.



Whzz up Lukester ;)

And of Course it will just be a piece of "Software" I host just like, a IRCD "Unreal3.2", or a IRC bot "Eggdrop" or even a Steam Server "L4d2 Public Server"

But I wouldnt mind a Sticker from you, saying. "Allowed to use this" hahahahah

Ive talked with afew lindens now, they have no idea what to even say to this Service XD but I was offered a Job *Cracks up Laughing*
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#10 Posted : 30 June 2010 22:38:31(UTC)


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:) this is excellent news. I like your product and the idea. Everyone gets treated equally here and we need more information on exactly how this product works and what it does. Convince me and you will have my FULL support. I guess this is fair.

Thx

P.S. I have not seen this product. I have spoken to Bioblaze in SL regarding METAbolt standards/rules. METAbolt does not charge for this...we are not here to make money out of METAbolt. I know now that he is working on getting my requests right which is in accordance with the SL TOS and TPV policy. The Linden first line support is not good enough for me and means nothing and I primarily want to see that the METAbolt user's security is not exposed in anyway and no user information is stored on this service's systems and that full user details are exposed to Linden Labs upon every login as per the TPV policy.

Obviously these are only required if you want METAbolt approval. Other than that it is a free world and you can do as you wish and we can't stop anyone unless our copyrights are broken.
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Luke wrote:
:) this is excellent news. I like your product and the idea. Everyone gets treated equally here and we need more information on exactly how this product works and what it does. Convince me and you will have my FULL support. I guess this is fair.

Thx

P.S. I have not seen this product. I have spoken to Bioblaze in SL regarding METAbolt standards/rules. METAbolt does not charge for this...we are not here to make money out of METAbolt. I know now that he is working on getting my requests right which is in accordance with the SL TOS and TPV policy. The Linden first line support is not good enough for me and means nothing and I primarily want to see that the METAbolt user's security is not exposed in anyway and no user information is stored on this service's systems and that full user details are exposed to Linden Labs upon every login as per the TPV policy.

Obviously these are only required if you want METAbolt approval. Other than that it is a free world and you can do as you wish and we can't stop anyone unless our copyrights are broken.



I do agree with Luke
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#12 Posted : 25 July 2010 23:35:51(UTC)


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I would be interested in this if the price and service are right.

A suggestion I would like to make is I would rather have access to metabolt settings outside of SL (i.e. from a web browser, or even better remote desktop which would give you access to the full metabolt console) rather than inworld.

I'm also presuming you aren't providing any way to access chat, object manager etc if it's all done through an inworld object? I would need more details of what you are actually providing, ideally even a demo, and also details of the system you are using for the hosting before I could decide its value to me.
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#13 Posted : 28 August 2010 04:21:34(UTC)


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We are still working out a Automated System, that will be In-World Controlled. Password/Username Only stored within MEMORY within SL.

Once we get the Automated System Complete, we Will announce it on this forum and buy advertising space on Metabolt.

Just rather have a 100% System then something that was thrown together and being tweaked daily.

Contact the Forum Soon with Updates.

P.S.

Linden Labs never Replied to my Ticket about this. So. Yea. Just to Relay that.
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